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Tim R: I've decided that section needs more like 1200 to 1500 as a minimum but even then the gauge is 24 miles downstream ever since the USGS discontinued the West Fork Gauge, When you factor in tribs like Bear Creek and Johnnies Creek and the East Fork being the major feeder the put in flow can be anywhere from about 10 percent to 30 percent of the flow of USGS gauge of Little River at Blue Pond.  Dylan C: I prefer 1800 to 2000 as a minimum. Tim R: I agree, my 1200 number is what I call desperate minimum, you can get down it but it's better if it's higher. 1200 is only good if your "desperate" to get out on it. I've ran it at 1000 and it's too bony with so many "trip" rocks. I really wish there was an online gauge for the west fork still.

From Lesley S. Here's a fun class IV wilderness run that's not in the first edition of Kirk's book.   Big Lost Creek near Reliance, TN.  Starts and ends with class II.  Has a one mile section of class IV creeking along the Benton MacKaye trail, which makes it easy to scout and run laps.   There's no gauge.  USGS Mill Creek at Crandall was 350cfs falling to 250cfs when we ran it yesterday.  That was a fun level.  We saw an otter in the water and walking along the trail.  Stray paddles floated conveniently into a small undercut on the right at the end of the class IV section.  The put in is the bridge where Lost Creek Road crosses Big Lost Creek.  The takeout is the regular Hiwassee takeout near Hiwassee Outfitters.  Thank you to Joseph Alexander Gudger and Jacob Parks for letting me tag along.

From Lesley S. : it's a 30 min shuttle. The put in and takeout are roadside. The put in is different from what's in Kirk's book. We used a different put in yesterday. Paved and gravel roads all the way. 27 to Payne Lane in Dayton TN, then stay right to merge onto Back Valley Road, then left onto Evensville Mountain Road, then turn right onto Wash Peffrey Road. Then put on at the bridge. Coordinates 35.623070, -84.969270.  There's an obvious stout hole and undercut at Hungry Jack rapid. It's easy to scout and walk.  There are also trees down here and there, so catch eddies and look before you leap. From Papabear A. 1) the put in is easy to find Go past the Gauge and up the hill , turn left afyer the stinging creek falls access. Its a dirt road keep following it to your left always, follow your nose to the 2nd bridge , thats the put in on moccasin creek. which you can google map but you want the dirt road soneone gated the paved road.  After the confluence with piney

  From Jo Creeks on Potomac Padders group:  GAULEY Put-ins & Take-outs Upper G putin  38°13'05.8"N 80°53'21.3"W https://goo.gl/maps/8UxrsQo8kzifwwqVA Middle putin/upper takeout Gauley River National Recreation Area https://maps.app.goo.gl/SikLKejSa4R4Hbsx7 Overflow parking, Masons branch lower lot fills up fast.  This atop the infamous ''heart attack hill '' 38°13'34.8"N 80°59'29.0"W https://goo.gl/maps/uCPjf5yEcs9Ywrnr9 I got confused about the alternate lower Putin/middle take out. This is the one right above Koonz flume. It requires you to park on the road and hike through the woods. Dropped pin https://goo.gl/maps/SuncdXaW5wd693RK9 Middle takeout/ lower putin, lot  can fill and you must park on the road.  38°12'14.4"N 81°00'54.6"W https://goo.gl/maps/6DxKdDtDQdtQwNEk9 Final takeout for the lower G, wayyyyy the hell down at Swiss.  Your almost to Kanawha falls so you might as well go throw some hucks. Lower Ga

  Just saw a post on FB saying the minimum for Sipsey is 4 feet.  Saving for future reference.

From Stephen C: "It’s flow minus 600cfs for each generator, which 98% of the time is 2 generators. 1300 is normal flow. Reads on TVA site as 2500 with 2 generators running". https://www.tva.com/environment/lake-levels/ocoee-2 From Leslie S.: If the Ocoee 2 flume is not broken - Current cfs in the Middle Ocoee is Ocoee 2 outflow minus [600 x (number of Ocoee 2 generators)]. - Predicted cfs in the Middle Ocoee is more of an art than a science because at any point in time it’s the predicted outflow minus [600 (x predicted number of Ocoee 2 generators)]. The predicted outflow may be specified as an average over a time range, which means you don’t really know what the exact outflow is going to be at any specific time. - Current cfs in the Olympic Section is Ocoee 3 outflow minus 600 x (number of Ocoee 3 generators) - Predicted cfs in the Olympic Section has the same vagueness as the predicted cfs in the Middle Ocoee, for the same reason. If the Ocoee 2 flume is broken - Current cf